6:06PM: Sharon is already out. Everyone else is still hanging strong.
6:30PM: Ryan, Natalie, and Sheila are still hanging in there. Ryan seems to be having the most difficulty. Sheila is content and said she will go all night. She wants pictures and a letter for her birthday. Natalie is being loud like always, saying she knew it was going to be endurance. @@
7:00PM: The three remaining Houseguests are hanging in there. Not much has changed. Sheila really wants to win but Natalie says she has a feeling she is not safe. Sheila told Ryan he is good with her because he saved her ass.
7:30PM: Everyone still hanging in there. It seems we could be in for a long night. The house guests have been talking about the live show. Sheila said she feels old right now contrary to her answer to Julie's question. They talked about the pranks. Sheila wished they had shown the PoV prank.
8:00 PM: All HG still in the competition. Even though the three left are aligned, nobody seems to be making any sort of deal or planning on dropping. Plan for a long night with this competition!
8:30PM: All three are still hanging in. Not much going on. They talked about James and how he tried to stir things up before he left. Sheila says she is hurting.
8:45PM: Ryan dropped.
9:00 PM: Natalir droppd. Sheila wins HoH!
116 comments:
im callin natty on this one. Shes built for it. I'm suprised Sharon got out before Ryan though. Ryans like the hulk compared to her.
i hope natalie's box slowly starts to close, trapping her and then she runs out of air. she's such a twit!
wow thats a lttle bit harsh for somebody!! i think it would be cool if Ryan hung in there and whooped out everybody GO RYAN!! WHOO!
i hope sheila or ryan end up winning it now.natalie needs to go this week!!
I don't have the live feed...who's out?
that wasn't harsh. i could have said i hope they put scorpions in there, or perhaps filled it with carbon monoxide lol she's such a douche. i can't stand her and her 40 year old looking face. she seriosuly isn't over 30??? her face is nasty.
lol thats even nicer! lol. I dont know how she would survive this week though if she didn't win HOH. THAT would be an interesting week
i think its stupid that the person who owns this website always bashes on natalie... it makes me not want to read it
I know! I like Natalie shes hilarious and shes the part of the show that makes the strategy a little lighter and makes me laugh. I would be sad if she didn't win this cause it probably means shes on the block.
anyone else fallen off?
Natalie is a hypocrite
natalie needs a lesson on how to be a good christian. having abortions and giving guys you have known for a week blow jobs, and walking around in basically no clothing is NOT being a good Christian. She needs to educate herself, Chelsia was 100% right. Natalie needs to be evicted then sent straight to college. REAL college, not art school. She also needs some hardcore face cream.
How is she a hypocrite? I've heard so many people say that but there is NO justification. Please somebody tell me why is Natalie a hypocrite?
I don't have the live feeds so I wouldn't know, but when has she ever talked about the blow jobs she gives? And if she has, why would you discuss that in a house with 24/7 cameras?
natalie is a hypocrite because if given teh chance she would have put james up even if she had promised him safety. Also she is a hypocrite becasue she is all "go team christ" but then doesn't stand for anything that she says she does. Also, she is like "everyone is flipping sides and floating and lying, i hate it it's dishonest" and that is EXACTLY what she is doing. She listens to what other people say then reports back to everyone else. THAT, my friend, is why she is a hypocrite.
dude she openly discussed her abortions, so discussing a blow job wouldn't be a big shocker. youtube the videos of her giving matta blow job. it's there. disgusting.
No THAT my friend, sounds like how Sharon and Joshuah were but without the TC. Sharon has told Sheilah, Adam, AND Ryan (who aren't even on her side except with the exception of Ryan) every time Natalie had done any game playing in the house because Natalie is the only one who does. Sharon's only gameplay is how she spreads the rumors in the house and multiplies they're falseness tenfold. They are some things in the house Natalie does that I don't agree with, but I don't believe she's a hypocrite as it is a game where you probably have to lie, and stay on everyones good sides, and STILL win HOH's. Natalie, Ryan, (and Sheila occasionally) are the only people in the house REALLY playing the game and that's the truth.
no feeds? -- bbscreens has the screen caps put here and tons more
don't forget the videos of Nastilie frikken squirting her breast milk onto James' back with Matt and ALex watchin plus doing same squiring for Sheila, Amanda, and the gals etc. I just have a hard time having any respect for someone like her (besides the abortions, blow jobs, lap dances, ALL of which are on video - have y'all seen them yet???!!! We used to have our preteen kids watch and now they wanna know why they cant anymore...)
don't forget the videos of Nastilie frikken squirting her breast milk onto James' back with Matt and ALex watchin plus doing same squiring for Sheila, Amanda, and the gals etc. I just have a hard time having any respect for someone like her (besides the abortions, blow jobs, lap dances, ALL of which are on video - have y'all seen them yet???!!! We used to have our preteen kids watch and now they wanna know why they cant anymore...)
Straight up lying is one thing in this house MY FRIEND. But what she is doing is disgusting. she uses the lord's name in vain EVERYDAY "OH my God" she's done it on live shows even! that is not christian like. it's fine to lie in the game for the game or w/e but don't do it then say that you are a perfect christian. She is not a good chrsitian. she squirted breast milk at people... and speaking of that why does she still have milk if she got an abortion 3 years ago??? i bet that bitch is selling her breast milk to make money. THAT is not a good christian and there is no way that it can be viewed at so. period.
OK thats fine, I'll look it up and if its true I'll eat my words and I'll never say another word to defend her. Because if that's true, i think she's a dusgusting skanky pig.
i think she may or may not even be selling the breast milk (if you see the video only a splash comes out) - she may just be so deranged and narcissistic that she squirts it for attention from people, and you can see that appalling act does indeed give her a captive audience (and grossed out, if female, but in awe, if male - of course stupidass "Mattie" said it was "awesome"!! whatta jerk). she'll do anything for attention, hence all her shouting, 99% only wearing a bikini, bjs, etc. NOT Christianlike at ALL! It's very sad and I pity her.
HERE are all the videos to see ALL the gross acts of the hg's, including Nastilie (love that one!) and her breast squirting - go half way down the page for those!
http://oddandstupid.com/BB9/BB9_nudes/BB9nude_photos.htm
(type it all in with no spaces = you can confirm what many have been referring to, be amazed)
I think Sharon is playing it smart because now she can play in next HOH. Nat is the new target and she will go this week or next. If Nat wins this she can't play next HOH
Oops the URL didn't all show up. After the
"BB9_nudes/" that you can see in the post above, what comes after that is:
bb9_nude_photos.htm
It's ALL there!
Here is all the URL another way, with each / part on a separate line (but course you type it in with no breaks at all):
http:
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/BB9
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reporting back what others say isn't being a hypocrite! dumb as* fools remember this is a GAME!!!! Nat has the sharpest mind in that damn house. She may also have the most annoying voice BUT she knows what the he*l she is doing! She is in charge and whatever you say is bullshit!!! She is running this game!!!!!!!!
by the way, i'm sure everyone of you is christian 24/7!!! give me a break! damn for real you people seriously need to get jobs!
Yeah, too bad Natalie isn't more like James or Chelsia. They were outstanding examples of honesty and anti-hypocrasy.
At least Natalie admits her faults. She doesn't claim to be perfect, living a life without sin. I never heard James admit to the gay porn thing, and what he and Chelsia did on TV was no better or worse than what Matt and Natalie did.
Nat just uses her body and sex. That is it. If she had a "sharp mind" at all, why do all the appalling things for the world to see on video? She is not a Christian-like person, at all, she is a needy, low-self-esteemed, sex addicted, manipulative pitiful loser of a joke of a person. I guess God sends her messages to do all those sexual things to and for strangers, huh? Is THAT the way to win? At any cost? She is selling her own SOUL and BODY for the game (and sadly in life too, with her stripper job). See the video of Matt giving her a massage - she says she strips to go to college, but never graduated b/c it was a non-accredited school.
She is just D-U-M!
hello and lets remember ryan and jen in the bathroom??? just because they are dating doesn't make it right ya know! camera's are on 24/7!!! no one seemed to mind them getting it on now did they? Or how about when chelsia and nat did their little strip-tease??? They made out with each other and just about every houseguest....how soon you forget?
Er, yeah i guess no one is Christianlike 24/7, BUT Nat is sexually-manipulative 24/7! Like ALL the time, sorry dude.
to be Christian is to admit your faults no hide behind them!!! if you can't handle the truth your watching the wrong show!
there is a video of Jen and Ryan having outright sex right on the bed in the bedroom too, with Jen on top, not even fully covered by blankets. I don't think it's right either, knowing the cameras are ALWAYS ON and SEE ALL. Then WE ALL SEE ALL forever!!!! I wouldn't wanna live with that. As a Christian or otherwise.
low self-esteem doesn't make you a non-Christian. her heart is in the right place... she has issues of self worth. big deal I'm sure there are MANY people like her...but not admitting it! she deals with it...
Wait, what did Chelsia and James do on TV? I never heard about that! (It'll just give me another reason to know how stupid
they are)
sex without marriage is a sin....PLAIN AND SIMPLE
when does Natalie ever admit she has a sex or stripping addiction/problem? she seems to be damn proud of it. It just doesn't jive with the whole TC concept what-so-evah.
THEY screwed too!
then took their sheets off the bed to wash and make all fresh. made a big deal out of it!
I seriously DOUBT that there are "many" people like her, i.e. who squirt breast milk on camera? BJs to strangers? Or do you mean that all those porn stars have their hearts in the right place? I doubt it.
Anonymous 11:08
I agree! Natalie does not claim to be perfect. James, Chelsia, Ryan, Jen, Allison, Matt. Joshua, and Adam are just as disgusting sexually as Natalie. Why is what she did any worse than the others? They all are just as dirty as she is!
who are you to say she has an addiction to sex??? are you kidding me! to enjoy sex is healthly! DUH!!seems to me ryan and jen would have that problem they didn't last a month without banging booties
wasn't josh the one talking about sex all time?? he was only to happy to discuss his preference...oh my what is this...yeah thats right....POT HI MEET KETTLE
As far as I am concerned NONE of them have morals. The washed up penthouse pet is the best of the bunch.
there is a BIG difference between an addiction (which she has) and a healthy enjoyment of sex (is it healthy to give bjs on camera to a guy who tells you he doesn't want you around, until he gets his bjs that is?).... what is this breast milk thing all about anyhow? that is weird.
your right there....not one of them is any better than the other! so stick to their game play! on that level....Nat kicks ass, followed by James...oh but wait yep he's gone....doesn't matter anymore now does it?
god please get off this blowjob shit! their were other houseguests in there doing the freaking deed!!!
Natalie at least admits to being a stripper once, and having abortions. I think she came from a totally different background where she didn't have parents who could pay her way through college like some of the others did. People do what they have to to do, and she was at least trying to do something with her life by going to college.
ALl the hgs this year are depraved. I agree with all of u who say they are all lacking morals, esp. Natalie and James. I just looked at that URL above - Check it out and you'll all agree! There are TONS of videos of proof, of them ALL.
unlike some others who have family went to college and still haven't done a damn thing with their life!!! nat has talent something not one of the other HG has shown. and why isn't anyone bringing up those stupid tattoo's of james'. wow that double standard is still alive today. fools
GO NAT!!!!!!!!!! Run that house!!! GO NAT GO NAT
Yeah, and don't forget Josh telling the gruesome details of gay sex. He would put coke on his butt to numb it so it wouldn't hurt so bad. I'm sure his boyfriend (or whoever he took home that night) loved having him shoot crap all over them too. That is a lot grosser than a blow job!
the choice to whip out your boob on camera and repeatedly squirt milk from an aborted pregnancy is not a talent, not a healthy form of anything but a seriously troubled person. i also agree james' tatoo saying "cunt" is pretty sad. no double standard here, they are both stupid and have major issues. they need some therapy.
i think cbs did background checks and chose the most troubled and depraved people htey could find this year!! Woohoo! Whatta buncha porno we got!!
Go CBS! Compete with cable and internet porn!! Woo hoooooo!
cunt? is that the only tattoo you want to comment on? seriously...cunt is just a word - the tat on his arm that has religious slander on it - now that is the one that is meant to offend. it's sick no matter what your religion or even if you have no religion! it's also FOREVER! I hope his parents quit after him! They def. screwed up! what a dick!!
poor matt!!! now james is with chelsia...they screwed on camera imagine what they will do off! Josh could get lucky finally!! He could join james and chelsia in a threesome. AGAIN POOR MATT!!
breast milk...my goodness! bet you don't think women should breast feed in public..you sound like a prude
Hey she SQUIRTED her breast milk onto a guys back while the others hooted and hollered and cheered and laughed. hello, that's not the same as breast feeding! Geez! Feeding a baby duh is fine. But squirting for fun? Come ON.
why does CBS cover up the cunt one if it's just a word? anyhow he can always get laser tat removal, if he wants, and from Dr. Will of BB past even! That's what he does, ya know!
btw, slander is spoken defamation. a tatoo is not the spoken word.
hell he won't get them removed he is proud of them!
damn Sheila won HOH!!!!!!!
the intent is there no matter what fucking word you use
Why doesn't everyone here just allow each other to express their opinion without getting so testy? Just chill out everyone. Btw Natalie got her boob job while pregnant, before her abortion, and had to use her 2nd father-of-the-fetus' urine to pass the pre-operation tests and then she got her abortion 2 weeks later. What do you think of that?
sheila??? you have to be kidding me? any deals made?
Is it really necessary to use the f-word here? Take a Valium or something, you need it. I really like these posts, why get mean to the people who take the time to give posts here?
I'm thinking she really wanted those boobs!! and she needs her tubes tied and fast. nat really only does things that will hurt herself. her intent is well placed she just has no up bringing she's not out forcing abortions on other people..it is a right of hers if she chooses to have one. however wrong one thinks it is. there are many different views on that
i take that back..the f-word so sorry....just burns me that he can put that kind of crap out there everyday all day offending the masses and nat gets "beat up" over abortions...neither are right.
I hate it when everyone "rags on" everyone else, as if they knew these people personally. You have no idea what is going on in their personal lives. Yes, they did sign up for the show, but still, you have no idea. Fine, you don't think Nat or Ry or Baller or Sheil or Sharon (anybody!) deserves to win, but it is a show for your entertainment! I'll tell you whut!
Don't be such haters!
Hey, BB9, how about an official word? Did Sheila win? Tell us whut!
Nat's beat up over not just abortions - see the above numerous posts and videos of her long list of what she's "putting out" there for all the internet to see. I feel sorry for the kids who cannot watch the feeds anymore. that is sad too. just inappropriate, that's all. Nat needs psychiatric help, not condemnation.
The sequester house should be a psych ward this year!! :)
stop judging the HG! like you know them personally or something. that house could drive the any person crazy...they are have to be a little loose in the head to sign up for this. no money is worth putting yourself out there like that.
not sure James' tatoo offends the masses, lots of people are agnostic these days and aren't offended by that sort of thing at all. but cunt is a derogatory word to all females who may be more offended than the religious one...
don't all blogs make judgments? isn't that par for the course? why can't we judge the acts that they do without knowing them and state opinions about those acts? i see nothing wrong with that - just go to any blog, everyone "judges"!!
what nat is "putting out there" is everyday life for some people in one way or another. personal preference of how you live that's all. i couldn't live with her but thats her choice. same with james and chelsia and matt, etc. it's fun with this kind a mix. ya they are rude and crude. some things kids aren't meant to watch.
whipping out a boob and squirting it all over for the guys' enjoyment is everyday life? i think not. unless youre a porn star. maybe she'll become one now.
cunt is under the brawny MAN! it's just stupid period
screwing for live camera feed???? what is that?
i don't believe i made specific reference to that now did I, nope!!! just in general how she is. you def have a major hang up with nat and her boobs...whuts up with that
you can judge all you want, but there is no need to get all revved up about stuff! It is entertainment!! I don't want anyone to blow an artery!
I'll tell you whut! I am done, d.u.n!
BB9, what's the official word? Did Sheila finally win something?
watching AD and it looks like sheila won HOH
good night everyone been entaining chatting with you
nothing wrong with boobs at all. there is something wrong with squirting them all over the place! gimme a break! you must be a guy into that kinda stuff huh!
I agree. Breast milk should be only for babies, not for entertaining strangers - unless you're in the porn biz, I guess....... Maybe BB is entering the porn market now like others said!
maybe Natalie would be getting a break if not touting her TC and Jesus stuff so much, it sorta contradicts her stripper and porno tendencies, that's all. maybe she wants to be another Mary Magdalene?
who's Mary Magdalene (pardon my ignorance)?
Wasn't Mary Magdalene a prostitute or something that Jesus saved or something like that in the New Testament(but this is a guess, sorry, not sure, I'm not a Christian! I'm another faith...)...
BYE BYE NATALIE!!!!!!!! Guess Matty won't be getting his presents from your winnings!
Hey Natalie might win POV, ya never know!!! I bet she will win it. God says so.
After catching up on all these 100 or so posts, I think Natalie should go. She's troubled and needs help, badly. Poor girl...
By the way, what does "cunt is under the brawny MAN" mean? I don't understand...
By the way, what does "cunt is under the brawny MAN" mean? I don't understand...
I agree with whoever it was that said she needs psychological intervention, not condemnation. So true! It's not about what's christian and what's not, we're all sinners.
esp. the sex without marriage comment, most people sin then before marriage these days, purported Christians or not! Nearly 50% of all high school kids have sex now!
Does anyone know who lost the tooth in the HOH comp? Was it Sheila?
By the way, I don't like Natalie either. So it's not just the owner of this website!! My wife hates her too!
It's been widely debated as to whether or not MM was a prostitue, but it's my personal belief that she was . . . on a side note, she annointed Jesus' feet with her hair and oil days before his death. She was also the first to see him after he "rose from the dead".
Being a BB watcher disqualifies you from discussing theology or representing yourself as an authority on the meanings of any religious text.
It seems people either hate James or Natalie. If you're a Christian you like Natalie because James is a non-believer and did a gay porn. As a Christian, you probably shouldn't be hating either of them, while deploring their actions. Non-believers immediately recognize Natalie for the typical bible-thumping hypocrite. Looking at eithers action from an ethical perspective, both have questionable behavior. James doing gay porn has little to do with breaking ethical principles. His admission that he lies and misrepresents himeself is obviously not ethical, but neither is it uncommon. Some of Natalie's actions such as sexual activity and abortions is a moral question. Proclaiming Christian morals as the path by which she lead her life, Natalie is clearly an immoral person for violating her own personal moral code. As for Natalie maintaining her breastmilk supply following an abortion that was 3-4 years ago (she's not sure how long ago it was) is just bizarre irregardless of questions about morality or ethics. She's either selling her milk (which is not uncommon) or she self-lactates for vanity reasons (larger, natural-looking breasts). Either way she's using an immoral act for gain for the last 3 years. Disgusting! That's why I hate Natalie.
Hypocrite: (definition) to act in a way that contradicts your stated beliefs. a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue of religion.
Christian: (definition) a person who lives their life according to the tenets set out in the Bible.
Nowhere in the bible does it condone stripping, abortions, blowjobs, pre-marital sex...etc.
Say what you will about James...I never heard him once proclaim to be part of "Team Christ."
I heard that Jimmy Swaggert is looking for a new host of The Bible Hour...I am sending in Natalie, Amber, and Jameeka's resume for consideration.
Do you know what the tenets of the Bible are?
Yes...actually I do. As a Christian you strive to live your life as Christ would have.
Also the 10 Commandments are a big part of it.
Just a few of them is "thou shall not kill" "thou shall not commit adultery" "thou shall not bear false witness against another"
I don't know about you...but most Christians that I know consider abortion to be murder. Not to mention the whole "children are God's gift."
You can read the Bible 24/7 and talk all kind of smack about being on "Team Christ"...but to me the proof is in the pudding. It is how you live your life...even in times of strife.
I consider myself to be Christian...I try very hard not to lie...I don't steal or cheat. I don't go around giving blowjobs or lap dances to guys I just met. And I have never had an abortion. Don't get me wrong...I made plenty of mistakes when I was young...I am not proud of it. But the difference is that I was never out there proclaiming to be so Christianlike and holy then the next minute acting like a $10.00 whore.
And for everyone who has tried to defend Natalie about her stripping to pay her way through college? Looks to me like the only thing she paid for with her stripping is a boob job. Hmmmm...I can hear God now..."well, there are only 2 places left in Heaven. On one hand I have Jane Doe who never had an abortion. Composed herself modestly. Put herself through college working at McDonald's. And on the other hand I have Natalie.
Natalie...blowjog giving, abortion getting, breastmilk squirting... Natalie."
As far as I am concerned that one is a no brainer!
guess you are NOT Christian... if forgiveness is asked for truly from the heart God will grant it. Bottom line. I'm Nat has asked for it therefore she will be fine. However, some others who believe that just because they didn't have an abortion, TRY not to lie, etc. are safe in the God's eyes....your wrong. You must with a whole heart ask for forgiveness. CONFESSION...in case u didn't know what I meant!!!!!!!!!!!
your right there!!! doesn't matter what kind of do-gooder you are...you must confess. Nobody is perfect God knows that but you still must go to him and ask for forgiveness
So your theory is....screw up...commit a few hundred sins. Ask God to forgive you and then everthing is hunky-dorey? Until the next time you get drunk and sleep with a stranger...get pregnant..have another abortion..and start the cycle all over again?
Can anyone honestly believe after watching Natalie's behavior that she is even attempting to act in a Christian manner?
And just for the record if Heaven is going to be populated with the likes of Natalie, Amber and Jameeka
then I will gladly volunteer to go to purgatory!
Do you think Natalie asked forgivness for that blowjob she gave Matt? Or do you think the first chance she has she will be right back on her knees?
I HATE Natalie and her game play. I want "TC" to vote her out first change they get!!! I hate that she is also using "her religion" for her game play. I am a christian but don't believe that god is "helping her"
SHE NEEDS TO GO!
I agree 100% with all the hypocricy that Natalie has shown. It would be different if she didn't always claim the Jesus and God "tells me" stuff. @@ I am sure that she does NOT attempt to live according to the tenets of the Bible at all, and I beg to differ with those who say she asks for forgiveness. All she "asks for" is attention that is SO important to her from strangers via her "acts" (and we all know what she's done by now, check out that URL and the videos way earlier in this post if you wanna see the proof). I wouldn't want to touch anything she's touched, for fear of STDs. Remember how Matty told her he didn't want to talk to her or have her around, and he only began to tolerate her when she pretty much bribed him by giving him several BJs (not just one)! She has no clue how to live according to Jesus and God. She is making a mockery of Christianity!
I agree 100% with all the hypocricy that Natalie has shown. It would be different if she didn't always claim the Jesus and God "tells me" stuff. @@ I am sure that she does NOT attempt to live according to the tenets of the Bible at all, and I beg to differ with those who say she asks for forgiveness. All she "asks for" is attention that is SO important to her from strangers via her "acts" (and we all know what she's done by now, check out that URL and the videos way earlier in this post if you wanna see the proof). I wouldn't want to touch anything she's touched, for fear of STDs. Remember how Matty told her he didn't want to talk to her or have her around, and he only began to tolerate her when she pretty much bribed him by giving him several BJs (not just one)! She has no clue how to live according to Jesus and God. She is making a mockery of Christianity!
Nat def is crazy when she says God tells her things that much is true. I think being in that house she honestly believes some of her own bull. She is annoying but her game is good...she has all of them doing her work. This week will be interesting...if she makes it to next week she could very well make it the final 2.
All Christians have flaws..duh everyone does so more so than others. don"t judge others or you will be judged
"Being a BB watcher disqualifies you from discussing theology or representing yourself as an authority on the meanings of any religious text."
-- That's funny. By the way, I am not a christian. However, facts are facts. Study up, son!
Dear Anonymous at 11:26 am...the day that I go on National TV and give some guy I just met a blowjob...do a striptease and make out with a chick....brad about having several abortions and squirt breast milk on ANYONE I will welcome your judgement or anyone else's! And if by some chance anyone in their right mind would judge me to be anything more than a skank...then I would have to judge them to be crazy!
All Christians have flaws..duh
Obviously....no one is perfect, but why is someone like Sharon a Christian but doesn't feel the need to make it #1 always and let everyone know....I didn't even know she was a christian until Julie brought it up.
BTW we are ALL judged
I think what they were trying to say is that some people are more flawed than others. bad choices doesn't make a bad person. I guess I kind of understand what they are saying. She seems to have her heart in the right place I don't think she would go after someone to belittle them or break them down like james and chelsia did. It pretty obvious they all are lacking in the moral department.
Thank gawsh Sheila won!!
Thankfullyyy.... they are gonna backdoor natalie since adam won POV!!! Yayy!!
i'm done with her! D-U-N!
Ha.
One of my friends was like thank gawsh she isnt a spelling teacher or else she would be getting a LOT of complaints from parentss...
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